Thieves! But no Gypsies or Tramps

There have been a couple of recent posts dragging guests for being thieves. There are also all the usual warnings about last minute locals, hook ups, young guests and other non-fact based suppositions. I had a guest who checked a lot of boxes last night (edit: meaning many hosts would be suspicious of him).

He was local, minimal communication about the purpose of his visit or who his guest is. 2 prior reviews but has a 4.5 average, not a 5. Booked for 2 but arrives alone. He looks very young. After an hour or so he leaves and a while later a different car arrives with a female. After listening to her struggle to get the code in and the door unlocked I go out to help her. I asked who she was but got an evasive answer. This morning they depart separately, but early. I go in the room and everything is clean and in good order but my coffee cups are missing. A big pile of snacks and drinks were left (no alcohol however, I think they are underage) and I wondered if it was a trade of some sort. I’ve been busy turning over the room and hadn’t messaged the guest. I did shop on IKEA for replacement mugs but hadn’t purchased yet.

The guest just messaged me that he mistakenly took the mugs thinking they were his girlfriend’s. They had discussed having hot cocoa (awwww!) so he thought she had brought the mugs with her. He just returned them and I chatted with him. They are both in the National Guard here and their duty will end soon and they will be moving together to Houston.

I’m glad I spent zero time worrying about the imaginary “red flags.”

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What a great story. Now if he’d only told you all that in the beginning… :innocent:

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I see there are hosts here who worry about those sorts of things. Frankly, some are way all up into their guest’s business to an extent I’m not comfortable with. So it’s fine if the guest doesn’t tell me anything. I really just want them to say how many there are, pay, stay somewhat quiet and clean and leave an honest review. Anything more is just gravy. In particular I’ve noticed my military guests, irrespective of gender, are very tight lipped. And when I asked the girl about the nature of their relationship she may have just been embarrassed. Some kids are from conservative households and I’m old enough to be her grandmother.

I do prefer the ones who tell me their story and I especially like when they say things like “your place is adorable, I can’t wait to meet the dogs.” :wink: But their money doesn’t spend any better than anyone else’s.

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I first thought you meant the guest was opening boxes of your stuff and looking inside them for items worth stealing.

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LOL. Yes, my apologies for my sloppy use of language. Arde had a deleterious effect on my brain.

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I don’t want to be all up in their business, but a simple “I’m Joe, visiting your obscure town because my sister’s getting married, there are 2 of us,” is what I’m looking for. Because up until the recent House Hunters episodes, people would ask me “How did you even find that town??” :wink:

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@jaquo’s Brit lingo getting in your head? :smiley:

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Now I have a Cher ear worm!

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I already had one from “If I Could Turn Back Time” memes on facebook. (US daylight savings time adjustment is Nov 3) I’m sure that’s why I thought of this title.

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I have so many stories, i could write a book.
The most “respectable” people, i thought they’d be, somehow turned out to be thieves. It’s almost like nobody is honest these days. When i heard the CEO or the UK Stena lines ferry services talk on tv once, his stories were so so familiar to what we see in North europe. When he started to offer low cost ferry service, he noticed more and more of the lower budget type of tourists started to take his ferries, and also: more and more problems arise (drunk on board, breaking stuff, stealing stuff, pulling a friendly fraud on their credit card etc).
I had a guy from the world bank in DC (he gets a tax free salary did you know?), who sent his daughter to study ballet: he pulled a friendly fraud on me (charged back on his credit card AFTER his daughter enjoyed her stay with no complaints, ever).
I had a guy from a spanish bank working in London, again with a good salary, who too put me in problems. Initially he was booking a small place for his daughter (she was going to start a study) and he swore that he needed a “small place” because he and his wife would stay in a nearby hotel. I could just “smell” he was lying.
And he was.
Neighbours had called in the police to verify the headcount in that 1p studio. Sure enough they were all 3 in a small studio of not even 20m2!!! hiding out. Not in the least worried about having signed a Building insurance doc which warns to NOT overcrowd, or else the insurance will be rendered invalid (during the illegality), meaning if fire breaks out, it’ll be me to pay for reconstruction.

In big cities, these things are pretty much the norm. To enforce their laws the big cities started to put in place extreme penalties and even send out police squads to raid homes (it’s in several news papers too!). They showed up with 5 (!!!) police men at their door. They showed paperwork that said “do no overcrowd”, so the police knew we instructed them correctly. The only way to avoid the penalty, was to kick them out the same day, which i did. And luckily it was a “Warning” we got, but the police told me that they didn’t care “how” i would get to control the flats, but “next time, the bill will be written out, instead of a warning”.
This whole mess, led to a huge fight with airbnb call center, who understood my point, but still asked me to “do an exception” (without realizing just how -real- the risk of the fee was, if the police visits the place the next day).

I also had a case of an employer (a multinational for crying out loud) who booked a place for 1 month for a new employee. A nice commission for airbnb, ca I only bring it these kind of longterm bookings. Long story short, this employer, half way, sent back the employee " cs he was not suitable" , and then straight after wanted to put yet another (!!) employee in the same flat!! despite signing off that the place will be occupied by that ONE person only, the employer just tried.
The condo board gets a “presence list” of each tenant who moved in, and we aren’t allowed to swap tenants more than 1x after a minimum of 30 days stay. So, i explained that i “was not allowed”, cs otherwise i face a 1200euro penalty for each day that the “new” employee stays (an illegality in the eyes of our condo board).
Evidently i told the employer: if you need flexibility LIKE that of a HOTEL, you need to book a HOTEL, and not book a HOME!!! yes, we’re 50% cheaper, but…that does mean that it comes with RULES, RESIDENTIAL rules, to be precise.
Again, another fight with airbnb call center, who again, couldn’t understand the risks i would run (the – (!)daily 1200euro penalty). Asking me to “just allow this, this one time”.

Property owners, are liable. Big time. But renters, whoever they are, always try to get the best of you. That- is the problem (in big cities).
Instead of having to lie down in front of the door of each flat, the only way i could figure out (took me 3 years of thinking about this) how to control it 100%, was putting some kind of biometric entrance gates, or, hire a person full time to sleep in front of the door (or watch a camera). I don’t make that kind of margins, like hotels do, to be able to afford a 24x7 receptionist. I’d be bankrupt. Mostly, i am happy i thought of it, because it finally will remove the need to speak to airbnb callcenters about any illegality whatsoever, because they simply can’t even happen, ever, again!

I do realize, that if you are living in the airbnb too (like if you rent out “just a room”), then you’ll hardly face illegalities. But i rent out entire flats. So, it’s a different ball game. Almost with no exception, the renters ask me “do you live nearby”, often a big red flag to see how well i -can- monitor the homes. In any event, all this is luckily sorted out.
I got my life back! and won’t have to fight airbnb callcenter ever again!!!

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You are SO Fortunate!!

You had decent wonderful guests, as most are with AirB, and were honest. SO lucky!!

The only issues I’ve have were with non AirB people, both who stole from me, far more than a few cups.

Count your blessings!

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Gypsy is a derogatory name for the Roma people. My horse was and my trailer is named Gypsy, my favorite book growing up was (The Gypsies by Jan Yoors). There is no excuse/ reason to promulgate bad inferences connecting to this proud and ancient people.

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I absolutely know that having taught Holocaust Studies for 20+ years. I’m quoting a Cher song. But if you object to this thread I’ll delete it.

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KKC, No don’t delete your post! its a great tale about trust of other humankind who may seem unreliable at first glance.
regarding use of Gypsies, I did not suspect that you didn’t know the Roma history. I do not connect the title to Cher, personally

The song, Gypsies, Tramps and Thieves is from 1971 so it’s probably before your time. I haven’t heard objections to the song before but maybe it’s like “Baby, It’s Cold Outside,” just not really appropriate in the 21st century.

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Here is a young Cher. Her dress is not her usual belly baring Bob Mackie style.

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It’s nice when things are returned. Summer 2018 two nice, expensive decorative pillows disappeared. Summer 2019 I had several repeat guests. The pillows came back!!!

Snazzy

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I love how this thread turned into a cultural history on gypsies and Cher :stuck_out_tongue:

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I just had a guest message me that they have one of my towels. I asked them to bring it back when they come to stay again. :slight_smile:

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When we first moved to our current city, we stayed at an airbnb for 2 1/2 months while we found a house. The host and his wife, “Cindy”, lived next door and they eventually became friends and also our mentors for our airbnb. Cindy and I became friends and we have drinks about once a month or meet-up to go thrift-shopping. Every single time I tell her, “oh yeah, I still have that washcloth, I forgot to bring it”. It’s become a wonderful ongoing joke. I do have her washcloth. It is the best washcloth we have. I do not know how we ended up with it. I promise.

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