Saying NO to family in law

Since there was another topic on the difficulties of saying NO, I’ll add my (not so :confounded:) funny story on the subject. Sorry it’s a typically-me-long-one :blush:.

Foreword
First of all you should all know that my other half and family-in-law are Latin-American. Their set of values is slightly different than my western European ones. One of the problems is, that they think that everything that’s yours is also theirs. And even if you try to set some boundaries and make agreements, they tend to be totally :face_with_symbols_over_mouth::face_with_symbols_over_mouth::face_with_symbols_over_mouth: clueless in respecting them. Another Latin-American problem is the inability to communicate well about plans :roll_eyes::unamused:.
Also I’m creative, but not always very flexible in my thinking ( :smiling_imp:guilty!), because I’m usually right about things :rofl::blush:. LOL. Some friends even call me their “autistic friend” for being a bit sturdy. I totally agree with them :blush:.

What happened…
My sister-in-law was very lucky a few months ago to be able to start her studies/training to become a medical specialist in another South American capital. She got the help of the chief surgeon (#1) to obtain one of the openings, and in the weeks after starting she befriended two other surgeons (#2, #3). She’s also living with an old friend of her who’s also surgeon (#4).

So when all surgeons had to travel to Lima to attend a congress, my dear sister-in-law first asked if surgeon #1 and his wife could stay for 5 nights FOR FREE :nauseated_face::face_with_symbols_over_mouth::face_vomiting:in our best and most expensive room. We were in the last week of finishing touches and I didn’t want any guests yet. I also didn’t want anyone staying for free because they did my sister-in-law a favor :roll_eyes:. It’s my apartment and I will do favors to those who do me favors :innocent:, not to people I don’t know.
So I said NO… but after much discussion with my hubby I gave in and we accepted for family’s sake :tired_face:. I did say that it would be a total ONE off.

Then my sister in law asked if surgeon #2 could stay with his wife, 4yo son and sister-in-law :roll_eyes:. We don’t accept children :roll_eyes:, because our apartment isn’t suited for children (safety and finishes). They also wanted to cook a few things :roll_eyes:. We don’t allow cooking, and don’t even have a cooktop since it got stolen last year (legal process taking its course).
So I said NO, it didn’t feel good, but after talking to my hubby we decided that it was good money :money_mouth_face: so we accepted. They were going to occupy two rooms (out of the 3 we rent out). We made it clear to my sister-in-law that they wouldn’t be allowed to cook and that they would have to keep an eye on their son. She said OK to that :lying_face::lying_face::lying_face:.

Then my sister in law asked if surgeon #3 could stay. He’s single… YEAH :yum:! But we didn’t have any rooms left :expressionless:, except for the first night. We said ok for the first night, but please have him confirm. Everything happened outside of AirBnB by the way.

Then my sister in law asked if surgeon #4 could stay for free. Clueless as she is :roll_eyes::roll_eyes::roll_eyes:, she hadn’t noticed that all our beds were very definitely already occupied. But on Sunday we again had an opening so she asked if #4 could stay for 1 night. We don’t accept one nights and again certainly not for free. I said NO, but my sister in law said she was going to pay for the night somewhere in the future :lying_face::lying_face::lying_face:, so I gave in.

Then the following things happened…

SURGEON #1 and his wife, who were supposed to stay 5 nights, arrived right on time, but with 2 people extra :face_with_raised_eyebrow:: His son and the son’s girlfriend. The parents had decided to stay with family here in Lima, but the youngsters were staying. Ok, no problem :v:. The parents did look very regretful when they saw the beautiful room they were missing out on :laughing:.
The next morning, the youngsters, who were fine guests by the way, all of a sudden were all packed up and ready to leave :face_with_raised_eyebrow:. They were going to visit an uncle in the north. It wasn’t clear if and when they would return, and also it wasn’t clear if the parents were returning to our apartment, which is way closer to the congress hall. We needed to know this for Surgeon #3 to stay more nights, so we tried contacting Surgeon #1 several times on Monday :smiley:, and then on Tuesday :slightly_smiling_face:, and then once on Wednesday :expressionless:,… Take into account the importance of Surgeon #1 to my sister in law… On Thursday we decided to stop calling :unamused:, and on Friday :angry::angry::angry: we decided that that :face_with_symbols_over_mouth: man can never ever ever ever (!) stay in our apartment. Every day we were thinking he would show up, and my sister in law kept telling us :lying_face::lying_face::lying_face: that he was coming to stay. But he never showed up again and didn’t even give us any notice :roll_eyes::no_mouth::face_with_symbols_over_mouth:. NOOOOOO, never again!

SURGEON #3 was supposed to arrive on Monday for one night, but we never got any confirmation. So we were waiting :slightly_smiling_face:, and waiting :neutral_face:, and waiting :disappointed:, and at midnight we decided that since we didn’t have any confirmation that he wasn’t going to show up.
On Tuesday morning we got the news that he had been ringing our bell at 1am. Mmmh, impossible! I wake up from our bell :innocent:. Correction: He had been ringing other bells :poop::poop::poop:, and in the end had decided to stay in the hotel next door :japanese_goblin:. But being a friend of my SIL, he called to visit us to check our place out. He liked it and asked if he could stay. We had no notice about #1 so couldn’t give him that room, but he called surgeon #2 and they decided to share one room. The wife, 4yo son and SIL of #2 would sleep together in another room. We don’t actually allow 3 people in one room :roll_eyes:, but I was already so knocked out :tired_face: by all that was written before , that I decided to give in… again.
Surgeon #3 was very nice during his whole stay and will be allowed to come back.

SURGEON #2 arrived with the right number of people and on time. The 4yo straight away showed himself as being very… mmmh… energetic :open_mouth:. When I told his mom to be careful with one of our windows that is easily climbable, she answered: “Thanks for warning, I’ll keep an eye out, because he tends to be very NAUGHTY.” :nauseated_face::nauseated_face::face_vomiting: Needless to say, that my stress levels rose to unknown heights: I saw the kid, I saw all the new, beautiful things, the lovely white walls,… and nearly got a depression :sob::sob::sob:.
The parents generally didn’t care about their son, but the SIL tried, TRIED, to keep the kid in line. (Is it normal to put a 4yo in bed each day at midnight – 1am?)
On Wednesday the kid was walking around with stones, ready to throw them around :angry:. I took them off him.
On Thursday his mom asked if she could cook him something because he’s a difficult eater. She had brought her own small electrical stove and a pot. Oh :face_with_symbols_over_mouth: hell!
On Friday the kid was ready to stick one of his toys into an electrical socket: I YELLED, maybe I shouldn’t have ! That same day, I had to enter their room to get something: Pencil, pen and shoe marks all over our freshly painted walls. The bed linen was full of makeup from the two ladies. Towels later also showed makeup marks :unamused::unamused::unamused:.
On Saturday the kid was ready to get his dirty little hands on our curtains :unamused:.
On Sunday the surgeon paid us after haggling down :face_vomiting: on the price with my hubby: They were “short on money” … but that same day did go to the most luxurious shopping mall in Lima and came back with tons of designer clothes and shoes. They also paid with very old dollar notes that later proved VERY difficult to get them exchanged.
On Monday the kid drew on our living room wall :rage::rage:. Is it so difficult to keep a kid away from pens, pencils, … ? Or supervise him to only draw on paper.
On Tuesday I was VERY HAPPY :neutral_face: to see them leave. “Are you planning to come back next year?”NOOOOOOOOO, I don’t think so!

SURGEON #4 was announced to arrive on Thursday. Then on Friday. As a good friend of my SIL she would have slept with my mother in law. She didn’t arrive. Then she was announced to arrive on Saturday, then on Sunday, then on Monday, Tuesday… On Wednesday my MIL went to the airport to have her take a package for my SIL.
Saying you will show up and not showing up :joy:? NOOOOOO, never again.

We did learn a whole lot of things :relaxed::relaxed::relaxed:. First of all to no longer accept anyone my :face_with_symbols_over_mouth: sister in law sends over.

If anyone has any advice on how to handle family in law, please do share. They sometimes drive me totally mad.
In two weeks the same sister in law and her husband want to stay over. I haven’t blocked the calendar and I am really really hoping to get it filled up by that time with regular guests. I’m even thinking of just paying another BnB to have her stay in another place, all for reasons that would take me another novel to explain.

Ah, the joys of intercultural relationships :roll_eyes::roll_eyes::roll_eyes:. But I do love him :heart_eyes:.

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Well, I can say that you are very creative with the use of emoji’s and, thanks to your high-stress narrative, I am opening my new bottle of antacids. :flushed:

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You will have to learn to say NO!!! And always be the bad person! We have a similar set up - husband European, me African. I always use the my husband is uncomfortable, you how these Europeans can be card! Luckily husband is very very taciturn for my African family so everyone tip toes around him.
It’s also the only time I play the ‘well I’m just the wife and have to ask the head of the house’ card.
The amount of time I’ve had random family members turn up and had to move them on after a night is uncountable!
Apparently I’ve lost my African values. Hallelujah!

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I love your creative and graphic approach. One day we will only need emojis and “the kids” will look down on us oldies who still write using words.

When I was living in Cambridge circa 1990 people would ring up another Aussie friend who had a strategy to avoid unwelcome guests asking themselves to stay and say: “Remember me? We met at a party at XXXs in Melbourne and you said I should look you up if I was in town.” Before they could ask to stay in his student room, which had happened before, he would reply quickly: “that’s great, when you have a job and a place to stay in London please come up and say hello. Sorry I’ve got a lecture I’m late for”. And hang up. This was back in the day when there was one public phone per dorm so they couldn’t just ring back or text. Maybe the answer is to “agree” but say: “we’re really busy with paying guests but if your friends turn up and ring us and we have a spare room they are welcome to it”. Which will never happen but sounds like you are trying to meet them half way.

But I know people who have had visitors stay for 3 or 6 months on their couch, in their family home. Some people just have the temperament I suppose. I don’t know how they do it. For me it’s the Fish Rule every time. :japanese_goblin:

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Like my mother who would always say “I’m okay with that but Jim won’t like it so sorry it’s not possible”. Apparently this is not rare for wives to use their husbands as an excuse.

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“my dear sister-in-law first asked if surgeon #1 and his wife could stay for 5 nights FOR FREE :nauseated_face::face_with_symbols_over_mouth::face_vomiting”:

Your SIL is an idiota. There I said it for you.

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Or for husbands to use their wives as an excuse…

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Does that happen? I’m sure it does. I thought it very funny when someone asked my parents for a lamb dinner on a Tuesday my mother said “oh no, Jim always has lamb on a Wednesday so we can’t make it”. No option to change the day. At that stage, late dementia, I am sure he didn’t know what day it was.

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Sounds like YOU need to learn to say no rather than putting it all on your husband!

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That’s me saying NO and it works very well for us thank YOU!

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Where I live in my little country community I’ve learned to say NO to offers for lunch from my lovely Christian neighbour. Some boring old single men like me and some single ladies from her church. “I’ve arranged lunch on Wednesday I assume you’ll be available?”. “No I won’t, we’ve discussed this before, I love you but have no interest in your lunches, okay?”. She actually uses her ABB (which I set up) money for refuges in Burma for young girls who have been prostitutes but have gotten pregnant and thrown out. An extraordinary woman but doesn’t mean I have to go to lunch with her friends.

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then you’ll have to put up with it all!

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@GutHend Being from the Balkans, I know your pain… It is very similar here as well. Family members tend to have absolutely no boundaries. My mom was always a sucker for the family, so everyone has been exploiting her for years, especially since we also have apartments to rent on the seaside. Number of times people wouldn’t show up and wouldn’t even notify us on this; brought extra people; announced they will stay for 10 days, then left after 2 days because they got sunburnt and paid for 2 days only; people damaging things, allowing their children to run around, do whatever they want. Destroying my toys!:cry:This was of course not just family, but also their friends, neighbours, everyone… And my mom never said anything!

This is the main reason why I’m allergic to hosting any sort of people who I don’t feel like hosting, especially for a prolonged period of time. Luckily my significant other is not from here, but Western Europe, so he is supporting me wholeheartedly. :smiley:

My mom finally stopped doing this, but when it was already too late. I had to step my foot down and tell her that she cannot make such arrangements with people if we are to be serious with our STR and have IB on Airbnb. If she wants to host someone, she can host them on the couch in her living room. Of course, no one is interested in that, they don’t want to see their auntie, they want a free summer holiday! So she got disappointed so many times during so many years, and finally stopped it.

I have this feeling that your husband is a similar sort of person, he wants to be accepted by his family so he agrees to everything they ask. Talk to him about this, he is ruining your family time and business for the sake of people he doesn’t even care about!

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I assume the sex is good!

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Yeah, me too … I’m quite happy keeping my reputation as the Nice One in the family!

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Maybe he will come back, pay cash directly and help make up for the pain this ordeal caused.

“Sorry SIL but the rooms are all wrecked from your friends and they won’t be repaired/repainted/cleaned in time.”

So you already know what you did wrong and how to fix it as shown by your title. I don’t have any advice as I’m unable to say no to family in ways that I wish I could as well.

I’m curious…how did your spouse react to all of this? He has no regrets? It’s fine, it’s just the cost of having a Latin-American family?

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same here…has he said ‘sorry, I won’t put us through that again’?

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I feel your pain. I’ve had difficult family rental experiences too. HOWEVER yours is definitely more difficult than mine.

Two of my 3 most difficult guests were physicians (Anesthesiologist & Surgeon). Both behaved in a very entitled manner and let me know that I was “just a nurse” (yeah but the nurse who owns the roof you want over your head!!-oh well)

I’m sure not all Physicians are difficult - but these two were.

Love the creative emojis. Hate that having rentals can be the cause of family strife.

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He agreed that Surgeons #1 & #3 can’t ask to stay again in the future. He also agreed that children are a big NO, because the kid also stressed him out.
We usually perfectly agree after events, the problem is agreeing before the events happen. I’m usually very cautious, one could say paranoid. He is the opposite and never sees any trouble until it happens. ‘Take care, you will hit your head’ does not help, he needs to hit his head to understand :roll_eyes: that with a certain action he was always bound to hit his head.

So agreeing on the surgeons was no problem, it’s agreeing on the SIL’s ‘rights’ that is the problem. She’s the one and only princess of the family. For different reasons her family always gives into her :roll_eyes:… She also thinks she can always get away with everything because she’s attractive and can be really nice (hypocrisy) and tends to wind people (men) around her finger. I was designed differently (gay), so her magic doesn’t work on me :sweat_smile:.
Generaly latinos don’t understand that you can deny something to your family. Your home should always be open for family. The small detail is, that’s it’s not our home, it’s our :face_with_symbols_over_mouth: business.

That is the problem. I don’t like being the bad person. I like being reasonable, being nice and make agreements that work for everyone.
But yes, I will have to be the bad person. Or in fact I already am. The funny thing is, I have held one hour monologues with the FIL to explain my points of view, and to explain how things should work. They totally understand… for about 48 hours and then they go back to being their normal self.
The moment I got catalogued as a bad person was the moment I objected to them inviting themselves over to my family’s house in Europe for 2 months :rofl:. Omg, the stories I could tell.

I love the fish rule: It’s sooo true.

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I won’t lie. I got about 75 percent of the way through this and I got a headache. Lol.

All i have to say is this. When I lived in the heart of Hollywood (irresistible to friends and relatives from out of town. The way I handled visitors who wanted to occupy my room, I followed this policy: if it’s a close family member or a friend whom I trust as well as a close family member, then i am happy to open up my home free of charge. Just one rule: let me know precisely which days you are coming and leaving so i can block the calendar. If they fail to do so (even if it’s my brother or sister) I’d say, sorry. Someone else booked.

Anybody else? Like friends of friends fishing for a free stay? Four words: ‘Sorry. Room’s not available.’

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