Air B&B is leaving their super hosts out to dry! There is no longer a “partnership” situation

I’ve been a super host with Airbnb Since 2012. I have over 450 positive reviews. I began to manage listings as a cohost for others.

One of my most recent hosts made an honest mistake in his over zealousness to accommodate, he put a better quality toilet paper in a listing after the guest had arrived, He Knocked on the door to see if the guest was there but then decided to just go in and put the fresh toilet paper in its place. When the guest asked me about the new toilet paper, I explained to him it was a new host and he just wanted everything to be perfect. Based on the guests own admissions.… They felt the concern had been alleviated And thanked me for clarifying.

Later the host offered $100 credit towards a future stay just to create an even more perfect guest experience simply because there was any concern at all because the guest had said they didn’t request the new toilet paper And was “initially” taken aback. The guest later decided Maybe he should ask for $100 back on this particular stay. I explained to him that as far as I knew, the situation did not entitle him to $100 refund and that the host did not even have to offer a credit for a future stay, he was just trying to accommodate. I told him I would call air bnb to see if they felt differently.

The man immediately sent me an Airbnb link to show me how to give him a refund. I told him that the concern wasn’t how to give them a refund, but whether or not one was justified under the circumstances. I called Airbnb immediately just to put them in the loop and make sure that everything I was doing was appropriate. I was reassured by the customer service rep that the guest was not entitled to $100 for something like this especially since the guest said all of their concerns have been alleviated, nothing was missing, moved nor touched. She even chuckled a little at the thought of the guest trying to get $100. The take away from this is that no good deed goes unpunished.

And then it just continued to get worse. We put a very true and honest review of the account up Since Airbnb encourages honest and fair reviews. They don’t tell you that if you give this honest review and the guest doesn’t like it, you could be the One punished in the end. When we did this, the guest called Airbnb and did not deny that the review was honest, but wanted to know if it could be removed anyway. Of course we know that Airbnb does not like to remove those reviews.

Then Airbnb decided they would punish both of us. Without any notification or communication of any kind, all of my listings were shut down. When I called to ask for an explanation I had to wait more than two days before I was told it was because of this guests complaint. I messaged the guest and told them if they wanted any kind of refund at all they had to go through Airbnb because their complaint had been escalated to a “Safety case manager” also known as a “safety case ambassador”. I said nothing about my listings being shut down in this thread for fear of retaliation from Airbnb. He called me immediately and apologized Emphatically. He said he had just wanted his review removed. I told him I appreciated his apology and it was then that I told him that all of my listings are actually now removed. People that did not even know one another. Clients that I have had for years and even my own listings were affected by this situation.

He was shocked and surprised that Airbnb had taken such a drastic measure and kept me in the loop on all of his correspondence both written and verbal. It was clear that he had told Airbnb that it was a misunderstanding, that there was no situation and that he had insisted that my listings would be reinstated. Airbnb reassured him that they would close out the ticket and inform him when this was all taken care of.

Later he got a letter from this case manager saying she closed out his tickets but she was going to continue to investigate. She then wrote him saying she would not be sharing anything further with him as it was not his account. I called her and I asked her if she needed any more information for her investigation. She said no. I asked her if there was a reason that the listings were still being paused. She said we have to review the guidelines to make a decision. I asked her if there was a reason she wasn’t familiar with her guidelines. She said she was very familiar with them. I asked if she could explain them to me. She said no they are internal. I asked her if this is my account, then why can’t I know what guidelines are impacting it. Nothing… I expressed confusion that if she was familiar with her guidelines then why would she need to review them At this point. She kept saying we need to review. I asked her who the “we” was And caught her lying. She said it was actually only going to be her. This woman made a decision to impact numerous listings for numerous hosts simply because she could. This is what Airbnb is employing.

I asked to speak to her supervisor and she played gate keeper and refused. I called back to find out if I could speak to anyone above her and she told me she was the highest person I could speak to in her department. I said if I have a complaint about her who would I speak to. She gave me some format and I asked her where my information would go. She said it would inevitably end up back with her. I said so if I want to complain about you it only goes to you? None of this seemed OK. Further, I informed her that two weeks earlier when the situation had originally occurred, I had indeed contacted Airbnb as I should. I had asked them if I would have any concerns at all and if I should be giving this man $100 in light of the situation. The customer service rep looked through the message thread at that early date and said no you did absolutely everything you should do. You’re going to be fine. So one representative told me I did everything Right and the next one decided with the same information to shut down all of the listings I manage.

Adding more insult to injury, my husband went to still use the platform as a traveler and book a stay to go visit our son in college. She even impacted our ability to utilize the platform as a traveler. Everything I’ve read about people going through situations like this has said it was only their ability to host that was impacted.

Reread the actual situation and tell me if you believe this was an appropriate action on the part of Airbnb. Fortunately my listings are on another site so I’m not as impacted as so many of my clients. I have a good relationship with them, but many of them are very high-end clients with very expensive listings and I’m now forced into a situation of having to sit down with them and explain why we need to move their listings to a different Platform and hope that I do not lose any of them. When Airbnb employs people like this, they not only lose money for the hosts, but they lose money for their own company.

They advertise that they are partners with their hosts. They indeed are not. They are in a position of control and they know it. They advertise the importance of communication. They even have that as a key factor in their review process, yet they communicate so poorly or not at all when it comes to handling any situations in house.There needs to be a different policy in place for them because the current one is definitely failing and both hosts and guests are being impacted.

This situation has been going on since Sunday and today it is Thursday. She’s apparently out of the office for her days off and no one else has been handling it. I was reassured yesterday that it would be handed over to a new ambassador, but no one has gotten a hold of me. Needless to say this woman like many others is working from home with loud obnoxious birds in the backdrop making noises. I’ve heard everything from dogs to chickens to babies crying and although this company started in the states, most of these people do not live in the states and do not care. They have outsourced much of their customer service representative base. What happened to the company that was so appreciative of the hosts That help them to climb the ladder to make them this faceless corporation?

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Reading this post on my phone is like screen after screen of word soup.

I gave up, as will many others.

If you’re looking for any sort of response to your post, I’d suggest you increase the readability by adding paragraphs.

JF

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Thank you for your suggestion. I have edited out the typos and created paragraphs. I’m Not sure if I’m even on the correct platform Because I don’t think there’s any advice anyone can give me on the topic at this point. I guess I’m just so frustrated it’s probably just a rant

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Even after your editing I could not make it through even a third of this. It’s impossible to follow. If this is a rant, then I hope it helped. If you’re looking for assistance, it needs to be consolidated and concise. I doubt anyone could comprehend this.

I’ve now read the story twice and I’m still mystified by a host who doesn’t operate his own listing making a trip to the rental during a booking to replace toilet paper. The story doesn’t ring true to me and maybe it doesn’t to Airbnb either. And the guest saying all is fine but it’s not is also confusing.

OTOH, all listings suspended for simply entering the rental during a booking seems like overkill. I just can’t shake the sense that something is missing from the story.

As for “Airbnb as partner,” yeah, forget it. They are an advertising, booking and payment platform. If that’s all you expect, your expectatations will usually be met. Anything else is just bonus. They don’t see us as the client, they see the guest as the client. It’s easier to replace us than placate us in many cases.

I don’t know what you consider a “very expensive listing” but there are other platforms, dozens of them, for which those kinds of listings are well suited.

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I’m not sure which part you cannot comprehend. There was a complaint from a guest That was requesting money they were not entitled to.

Airbnb reassured me they were not entitled To anything, yet this guest retaliated against me by calling Airbnb after his review that he didn’t like.

Airbnb suspended all of my listings from their platform With no notification, explanation, or communication.

The only reason for the additional details because it appears as though when people are on this platform and they don’t have enough detail, they ask so many more questions. I had hoped to eliminate that, but clearly I did not. Thanks anyway for your efforts

Now this one I can answer. The host lives on property in attached main house. I handle the listing on the booking side. We explain that he is also present for guests conveniences. The listing repeatedly mentions that the host lives on property, but this is a studio that is attached to the main property.

15,000 a month is what I considered a very expensive listing. Fortunately just before this whole situation occurred, I also booked one of our Properties for a little over $80,000 for five months. I’m sure there are properties worth far more than that, but these to me are expensive listings and I would think they would be a nice hit for Airbnb but I do understand that with millions of homeowners, these are just a drop in the bucket for them. For me it is my livelihood.

Also, the guest said everything was fine, but when the host offered $100 towards a future stay thinking it was a good gesture and trying to promote future stays, the guest I felt maybe he was entitled to $100 on his current stay. Through the message thread he asked a few times if we were going to give him that hundred dollars. I explain to him why we weren’t. When he read his review, he decided he wasn’t happy about it even though it was honest. That is when he made his complaint To Airbnb that he wanted his review removed. They did not remove the review, but then they suspended all of my listings because it was a privacy issue. Typically when there’s some thing like this I have been told that it gets alleviated quite rapidly.

The guest even told Airbnb that he didn’t feel afterwards that his privacy had been violated, he just didn’t like the review. He said he understood that the host was just trying to accommodate. I guess the rest of the story is that a previous guest had given him a five star review and made a suggestion that he get a better quality toilet paper. I guess he got a little over excited when his new toilet paper came in and decided to put it in the listing right away.

I can comprehend it just fine, but I’m on a laptop. My phone is a phone.

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It sounds like your listings will be restored in time unless the guest is telling Airbnb a different story than what he is telling you. Now you know to tell all your owners to stay out of the listings and let you run things when they are booked.

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It’s hard to imagine that you’ve been hosting for over 9 years and don’t know that entering a listing without the guest’s permission can be interpreted as a serious safety and privacy concern by Airbnb. I read about this happening multiple times and it’s never been good for the host. I’m sorry you had to learn the hard way.

Unfortunately, dealing with customer support, trust and safety, etc. is a complete cluster due to the extremely cheap and distributed way Airbnb actually implements their support model. Other hosts have been much less fortunate in similar situation where Airbnb literally blocked all communications with them. I hope it doesn’t get that far with you.

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Unfortunately, Airbnb will never share any details of the guest’s story with the host, so it will be impossible to determine if this is the case, and I don’t expect Airbnb to put any effort into determining whether either the guest or host is lying or withholding information.

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Entering the premises after guests have checked in is a big No No, even if they were not there. They felt violated since they noticed the new TP and didn’t like the fact that someone entered without their knowledge.

I understand that the host had good intentions but the host should have sent them a message and left the TP in a bag outside by the entry door.

I’m so sorry that the actions of the host got your listing suspended. It doesn’t seem fair to penalize the cohost.

I hope it all works out.

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We don’t know that she’s a co-host. She may be the only host listed I see many listings where a “host” has 6-8 properties and I have no idea who owns them.

That’s part of why I was confused about the owner going in to change toilet paper. As the manager of the property I’d be just as frustrated with him as I was with Airbnb but it’s so popular to make Airbnb the scapegoat.

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The host, when asked, decided to fight the guest over a $100 credit?

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Actually, a credit was offered and the guest decided he’d rather have $100 off his current stay instead. When told “No, it’s a credit towards a future stay,” the guest wandered off. The guest subsequently didn’t like the honest review, requested removal of said review by Air and Air decided host entering listing to change out TP was a privacy violation.

Ensuing escalation and Air suspending multiple listings and ability of host/co-host to use air as a traveler.

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I only read part of it but the quick read is Air shut down the listings as the host entered the premises after check-in without Guests prior knowledge or consent. If that’s the case, a big no-no.
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It is no different for us as landlords. We can only enter their place without notice if it is an emergency (leaking roof, fire, pipe burst, etc).
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Cut that host off, ASAP. If he was this naïve and lacking in judgement, it will happen again.

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New host, allegedly experienced co-host. New host was excited about (allegedly) new and improved roll of toilet paper and allegedly unaware of privacy rules. Probably thought “My studio apartment, I can just walk in.”

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I regularly have to remind my husband - Once it is rented you can’t wander over there for whatever, whenever! And he really doesn’t get it…

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The OP might be a good manager but does not train ‘her’ hosts in the practices of the hospitality business.

Of course, it’s wrong to enter a rental after the guests have checked in and this is why the Trust and Safety department became involved. This is hospitality 101.

As for the ‘partnership’ thing. that’s just bonkers. Airbnb advertise you, they manage the credit cards, end of story. Anyone who believed that Airbnb is a partner is a little deluded, I’m afraid.

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