I have a no smoking policy in my place. I realized that guests have been vaping. I consider that to be smoking. It leaves behind the chemical smell which permeates fabric and carpet and towels, whatever. Do I need to list no vaping as well as no smoking? I will, but where do the possibilities end? It’s a matter of respect that the younger people don’t have for someone else’s property.
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Not even so much a “younger person”, I might add. Yes, you should clearly note no smoking OR vaping in your listing/house rules.
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Yes.
[Even if there were not this difference in meaning – if somewhere it says that vaping is a variation on smoking – out of an abundance of clarity I’d add the word ‘vaping’.]
See here.
You could add e-cigarettes, though Airbnb ground rules say a no smoking rule includes e-cigarettes.
If you don’t already have a rule against open flames, I’d add that.
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You can have rules, enforcing this is hard. Unlike cigarettes that leave smell and potentially butts which can serve as evidence, vaping leaves no evidence that you can submit for a claim.
I don’t allow smoking inside but if someone is vaping I haven’t detected it. Weed and tobacco smoking I can smell, vaping I cannot.
We’ve had this topic many times for anyone interested in various views on this:
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@pcannady You may “consider” vaping to be smoking, but it isn’t- there is no smoke involved, it emits water vapor, like a boiling kettle. It may leave the smell of whatever is being vaped, but it generally dissipates quickly and doesn’t leave any smoke residue. So you have to say no vaping if you don’t want guests to do that.
Just in case somebody is wondering why vaping might be a problem if there’s “no smoke”…(of course, this is my own experience and opinion) the vape liquid can be hard to get out of fabric if spilled. I supposed it could be treated, philosophically, like any other spill. However, it caused me to have to cut a hole in a duvet cover and patch it after many stain removal tricks had failed. It was worse than tobacco juice.
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Yes, other Hosts here have complained of that.
Plus, some people’s senses are more sensitive than others, some saying that they can smell it.
I wasn’t contending that it’s no problem (although personally I don’t care if guests vape or smoke, as long as it’s done outside), just pointing out that it doesn’t involve smoke, so “no smoking” doesn’t cover vaping as a house rule- hosts should say both if they don’t want people to vape.
It’s a stretch of the imagination that somebody would think vaping is not smoking.
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Why is this a young people thing?
Yes. If it’s something that bothers you.
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Really? When it isn’t smoking? In that case, using an inhaler if you have asthma or allergies would also be considered smoking, just because you are drawing something into your lungs?
To me, considering vaping, when it doesn’t involve smoke, to be smoking, is a stretch of the imagination. It isn’t a matter of you or a guest “thinking” that vaping is or isn’t smoking, it’s a fact that it isn’t.
(Am also confused about what you refer to as a “chemical” smell. There aren’t any chemicals involved in the vaping process- the water vapor is produced electronically. Vapers might be using scented vape liquids, which could produce a smell, just like scented air “fresheners” do, or vaping marijuana, which would just smell like marijuana.)
In any case, the point is that because it literally does not produce smoke, if you want to be covered by your house rules against vaping, it’s necessary to say that.
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I have house rules that say no smoking, no vaping and no drugs inside the house or within 10 ft of open doors or windows. I charge a $300 cleaning fee for breaking the rules. I also got small signs from etsy I set inside the house that state the same.
Vaping really depends on the flavor, strength and power as to how much odor or mist it puts out. Some can be undetectable and some overwhelming. I’ve not had a problem with vaping in the house, if they have it’s not been noticed. Quite a few marijuana smokers that deny it, even when I can tell you exactly where in the house they smoked (I’m very sensitive to the odor) which is why I added the 10 ft from open doors or windows clause.
I usually don’t really fight it if the house can be aired out quickly, i have charged for smoking a couple times when it was cigarette’s and required extensive cleaning. My cleaners have spent anywhere from 4-8 hours extra cleaning for smoking.
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Vaping does leave a residue.
“The vapor, which is predominantly glycerin (not water, as is commonly believed), is transparent yet slightly greasy. It resembles the vegetable glycerin used in fog generators and is more comparable to an aerosol gas than water vapor. “The “vapor” is not water vapor, but rather an aerosol gas, as the emissions consist of microscopic particles containing, among other compounds, nicotine, glycerin/glycols, artificial flavorings, and preservatives.”
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I had a very bad experience after a LTR ( I have both STR and LTR units) tenant vaped in my unit for a year without my knowledge. The sticky glycerine-based residue had to be TSP washed before the unit could be Repainted . The walls and ceiling were nicotine stained as well. It was a nightmare.
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We experienced a new one a couple of months back, Shisha." add that to your list
Shisha isn’t anything new. It is from Middle East, where it has been used for hundreds of years, and involves smoking flavored tobacco (or hash,or marijuana) out of a water pipe, aka hookah. It falls under the category of smoking, which vaping doesn’t, but of course if hosts want to mention it specifically, have at it.
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