True, though it was whole (small) condo, rather than whole house. I would never rent a whole house again as a remote host. I did that for two summers with my Lake Tahoe place and it was not a good experience or memory (except for the $12K income each summer!).
When things are tough just count the money!
Yep, I do. Let’s see now…one million, two million… wheee!
The FHA does consider it discriminatory advertising. ABB did not back up the hosts who got sued. And their attorneys did not fund the settlements either. Attorneys will protect the business if they are not held accountable, but leaving hosts being sued.
ABB must be protected from that internet act. Those hosts settled for thousands of dollars with the guy who never inquired at all.
You guys…the news videos are out there. These hosts were small hosts renting out rooms, or just a basement, or who knows…the stories are out there. They too were astonished about the whole advertising thing. The video I saw about the DC area is where hosts had to settle for an average of 7-14 thousand dollars. Personally, I think it’s all BS. But am just warning people that a discriminatory statement that can be interpreted as discouragement, can be a violation of the FHA. the one thing I recall in one video…is the newcaster at the end said “see if the law applies to you” - which can make some think if the FHA doesn’t apply to me then I can advertise what I want. Not true. Still violating law when advertising. But this is the news media…so what they say isn’t necessarily the law.
Here you guys go if you care to watch:
But you can ignore the last statement by the newscaster who says to check if it is covered under FHA. Wrong impression. The law clearly states if the FHA does not apply to you, then you cannot advertise discrimination but only do behind closed doors. Some jerk hired an attorney and didn’t even need to inquire on those ads. Over 40 people were sued to settle. I can almost guarantee you most were in the situations above saying they qualify for Mrs. Murphy exemption. That is irrelevant though. Doesn’t change the advertising aspect that violates FHA. That was the point of my warning.
Another thing…Airbnb should come out and state if you get sued by FHA or a ridiculous attorney, for checking off their statement options check box…then they will completely back you up and take over for being sued. I think they owe you that. That would only be right. If they want to claim saying “may not be suitable for children” is not a discouraging statement, then let them put a guarantee behind it.
That is eye opening! Thanks for sharing all this info. Hosts have been sued for saying “not suitable for children” which is exactly what Airbnb says. Only Airbnb won’t be sued, the hosts will. Really what can you do? It sounds like you shouldn’t say anything extra about no children and hope you’re not singled out. This one guy suing everyone is frivolous, claiming he’s “emotionally distraught and extremely insulted” by the ads, yet he never even tried to book.
I’m sure there was more to it than those individuals just stating “not suitable” but who knows, we haven’t seen their advertisements. They may have crossed the line into discrimination with whatever else they wrote.
I did notice the string of suits were all settled outside of court. The question is, have there been any judgements? There is a big difference in whether a determination was made by a court and a judgement rendered, or whether the parties simply caved and settled on the courthouse steps.
I’m only commenting about Air’s pre-worded options in the House Rules section. Hosts do not have the leeway to deter from the boiler-plate language. If any of the sued principals were under Air’s umbrella, I would think it would be their first defense. That’s why I suspect there was more to it than depicted.
Air is obviously confident that their chosen terminology (“not suitable) is not discriminatory because here it is two years down the road and it is still in their template. Stating that a rental property is not suitable for pets or children is not the same as saying pets or children are not allowed.
Anyway, I’m not sparring for position or playing the game of legalese-lingo because I’m sure it’ll all come out in the wash eventually.
Does anyone out there in Australia know how this effects us here. I have tried to find something but nothing is popping up.
Just a point of clarification… this was a Request or Inquiry? A Request requires an Accept or Decline, an Inquiry only requires a response, though you will still see the countdown clock.
It was a request. Apparently just a response is required for that as well as we discussed on a previous thread. You don’t have to pre-approve or decline a request although Airbnb sure makes you feel like you do. @cabinhost set me straight on that one, too.
Hold on Mike…lol. A request requires an accept/decline in order for a response to be calculated. I would never let one expire, as it likely counts quite a bit against you…or if it doesn’t now, will soon.
An inquiry is where you only need “reply” and no need to pre-approve or decline
Oh, sorry for the confusion. In this case, it was a request to book so I did need to respond. I’m on IB so I get so few requests to book and it was early morning: Caffeine deprived.
I understand children need to be children. I want PARENTS TO BE parents and supervise their kids.
The worst of the kid related damage was: set of bunk beds destroyed after treated like monkey bars. Sofa sleeper bed used like a trampoline thus damaging the supports. Child peeing in the bed AFTER his parents removed the water-resistant mattress cover because their darling didn’t like it (waterproof backing with soft cushion on top).
In my first correspondence with guests is:
2. Unit is NOT toddler/child proof. Cleaning supplies may be stored under sinks & other low locations. Outlets are not covered. Corners are not padded.
**********Do you think we can get an Airbnb check box for: [-] parents required to be responsible parents?
I would feel uneasy too about a guest who is asking for an accommodation but hasn’t met the booking requirements. It feels odd.
However, like @GutHend the no reviews after being a member for a few years wouldn’t concern me, mainly because I don’t have any. Purchasing the beach condo was a stretch for me and I knew I would not be taking any trips for a while. I’ve been a host for several years but never an Airbnb traveler.
I hope you got reimbursed for that mattress,
Sneaky guests put the pad back on the bed so the stain wasn’t noticed until too late to file a claim —-no reimbursement
I’m sorry to hear that.