Just looking for support/if anyone has experienced similar

In the past two week’s following a guests stay I have decided to stop hosting on Airbnb (I know this story is not going to sound nightmare-ish and believe me I’ve experienced worse but the way that this has been handled by Airbnb has just tipped me over the edge). I am a super host. Guest and 6 colleagues booked our 5 bed, 2 bath large house (two living rooms etc.) to stay Fri - Sat.

From when the guest booked (few months from stay) she messaged a lot and overtly friendly - all fine. On the last day before of cancellation window before check in (a few days prior to stay) guest began messaging asking ‘how many bathrooms’ etc. info that is all in the ad but of course I nicely replied to every message but the guests tone had changed. Despite me explaining how many bathrooms guest came back explaining they were all women they would all be trying to get ready for events etc. Again, fine there is nothing I can do five days out from stay about the amount if bathrooms - I genuinely just assumed the guest would cancel but she didn’t. We are extremely reasonable - these guests paid 455 euros for the two night stay between 7 ppl in a high tourist area and I know that the other comparable Airbnb’s are much more expensive.

On the first night the guest messaged (9:30pm) to say the kitchen tap was not working. I checked - no water outages in the area - replied to guest right away asked was the water running everywhere else in the house - the repose I received was so patronising and the guest explained to me how water tanks and taps work in properties - all of which I am of course aware of but if I can to be calling a plumber on a Friday night I need to know any detail they may need. The guest was saying the tap wasn’t working then was dribbling then saying it was just a pressure issue. The guests response made me a bit suspicious if I am honest, her rigmarole of information seemed prepared and was irrelevant in the context.

At the end of last summer we experienced what could only be described as guests who had figured out how to work the Airbnb system. Three separate bookings in a row booked tow night stays. They brought about 4/5 loads of washing with them and begun washing upon check in. They each managed to wash and tumble dry everything throughout the first night and the next morning and once they had this done they then contacted Airbnb to claim there was no running water for a shower (a lie) (in the first two instances) and attempt to cancel the second night and get a refund. In the third consecutive stay the guest actually attempted to break the toilet to claim they didn’t have a toilet to use. This was extremely stressful I actually woke in the middle of the night from the noise and spent almost an hour in the toilet with this man trying to battle with him to stop attempting to rip different parts of the toilet (flush handle and inner workings) off. In this instance the next morning Airbnb cancelled the guests second night stay, refunded the guest and reduced the money from us! It was totally infuriating but an absolute eye opener to the types of scams guests have figured out will get them free stays.

Anyway, back to two weeks ago. When the guest began talking about the tap not working I wasn’t quick to just call a plumber - I knew this would reduce the majority of the guest stay payout and I still couldn’t seem to establish if there really was an issue. I emailed Airbnb on the Friday night after speaking with the guest who informed me that I could request the guest email a video of the tap not working. Guest had said she would contact me when they got home that night after checking the tap again, she messaged on the Saturday morning to say the tap still wasn’t working I responded to request that she email a video of the tap not working so I could resolve the issue ASAP. She responded a few hours later to say she couldn’t do the video because they weren’t at the house but she then added ‘we will try to find some bottled water - I hope we will be able to and we will all be ok!’. I honestly still cannot believe that she attempted to insinuate that they may somehow die of dehydration (this was at 8am on the Saturday morning) because of this claim that the tap was not working. That evening she messaged to say the tap was working.

Upon check out we found the guests had taken 100 euros worth of towels with them and did over 100 euros worth of damage to the driveway kerning which is made up of cement blocks and would take a lot to shatter as they are now. The guests (IMO in an ‘FU’ move) piled all sorts of rubbish on the floor in the utility room from food to soiled boxes etc. In front of half full bins. We have a no smoking policy and the driveway outside both doors is now full of cigarette butts in the gravel along with the flower beds around the house. They stole books from the bookshelf upstairs etc. etc. Anyway, I know as hosts we need to accept some loses but I can’t help but feel as though considering each person paid approx. 67 euros for a two night stay where we use Egyptian cotton everything (not anymore we’re seeing out the summer with the most basic of basics).

So I was back and forth with Airbnb and put through a resolution request which of course the guest declined - following this the guest wrote a review. I have (eventually) managed to get in contact with a specialist super host agent who in fairness to her was very supportive and fair (but it took a lot of frustrating bots and media threats to get to her), she advised me that since the guests review was made following the reimbursement request it would be considered retaliatory and even gave me today’s date that the review would be removed. However, yesterday I posted my review for the guest simply outlined was had happened - all pre-recorded in back and forth messages since the incident’s. Within an hour Airbnb had removed my review of the guest - I am honestly dumbfounded. To add insult to injury, the guest left me a review which can only be described as strategic. The guest mentions (completely untrue) titbits that would put anyone off staying in a place, even mentions that people with asthma shouldn’t stay there - I’m not going to go into too much detail but this is total BS. She makes numerous others lies that couldn’t possibly even be related to the property. She gives 3* for Value which is honestly such a kick in the teeth considering the low cost they paid and how they ensured to reduce our payout by over 50% in damages and stolen items before leaving. Another (IMO) aspect of the review which just show’s the clutching at straws and how ridiculous the review is; the guest mentions there were spices and sauces leftover that should’t have been there - insinuating we hadn’t cleaned up after the last guest or that the past guests left thing’s. There is a space rack in the kitchen that is cleaned and replenished and kept stocked up in EVERY turnover, there is cooking oil, new butter, new local jams, and soy sauce incl. stock cubes in their respectable places in a kitchen that is entirely free of any clutter. Anyway, sorry this is such a rant but now Airbnb are completely ignoring me and refusing to remove the guests review.

I constantly see hosts pleading with other hosts to write honest reviews about guests so that we know what we’re getting ourselves in for. This guest had 4 5* reviews. Last summer I was left feeling as though not only had guests figured out how to ‘work the system’ but that Airbnb were in a sense really just facilitating it. I mean if they take the money from the host it doesn’t cost Airbnb anything - they keep guests happy and are happy for these guests to continue using Airbnb with hosts thinking they are accepting booking requests from normal rational people and not people who already have a game plan coming in the door that is going to cost the host. I now firmly believe that Airbnb are manipulating the system to maintain high user base (guests) and to hosts blissful ignorance until something goes wrong and it’s the hosts problem anyway. Anyway, I know his was a massive rant but I’m honestly so disheartened at this point and I hope this provides some insight to other hosts that you really cannot believe the reviews.

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In my opinion Airbnb is totally pro guest and not pro host. Mostly we have had great guests but I do believe some really know how to play the system as in your case. It can be frustrating being a host when you get people that just want to rip you off. Sorry this happened to you. Some humans just suck!

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Thank you, it’s reassuring to know it’s not just me!

So sorry to hear this is happening to you. It’s terrible you got such a run of crummy people. Unfortunately, some people are just horrible.

And, yes, AirBnB usually supports the guests. They provide the revenue, so they are the customers. Hosts are the suppliers, and there’s a seemingly infinite number of suppliers out there and they keep recruiting more. We’re much more expendable than the customer.

You mention your price is much less expensive compared to other properties in the area. Some owners believe (not @muddy , I know) that low prices attract bargain hunters and people that are looking to scam the owners.

It’s possible there is some truth in that. Those guests might book a less-expensive place that they can still afford in case their refund requests don’t work, or they assume a host won’t fight as hard if the loss isn’t too big.

Hopefully the remainder of your guests are reasonable.

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And then there are those of us who have been doing this for many years and never had bad guests.

(Just to even things up a bit for new or potential hosts reading this).

Thanks for taking the time to respond. It’s a shame but I completely agree now, Airbnb is literally facilitating a manipulation of their system that leave’s hosts with the short straw unfortunately. We have been hosting for years now and it’s just not worth it.

I know what you mean about the pricing and completely agree with the thoughts, I actually didn’t realise that we were so far under (like half the price) of other comparable stays - we have smart pricing switched on and it seemed once the summer began it just didn’t do what it was supposed to this summer.

Thank you, we have four booking’s left now for the end of the summer so hopefully we can just keep our fingers crossed that the least we can ask for is that we won’t have to spend the payout repairing damages etc.

This red flag should have told you to offer cancelation. Use this situation as a learning experience.

This forum is full of posts by hosts who ignore red flags, allow things that are not allowed by airbnb or their house tules, or (in your case) did not see a ‘three consecutive bookings’ as a typical scam tactic. Don’t quit hosting - just become a better, more educated host.

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How exactly is this supposed to work?

Scenario: Guest books weeks in advance, exchanging friendly messages to clarify any details that the guest inquires about. Fast forward, full refund period is over, a few days left before check-in, guest changes tone and starts bringing up that because out of a sudden all occupants need to get ready for events and it dawns on them that they are running out of bathrooms. :man_shrugging:

How does this cancellation offer look like? Seems like such rip-off guests enjoy coming up with really out worldly excuses to push for getting their money back.

Oh and to the OP @Country - consider BDC where you can set up a security deposit. BDC has brought us lots of business and we have not encountered the horror stories that circulate here and in other forums. Changing our house rules to collecting all occupant’s personal information including copies of their government ID also helped a lot.

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I’m so sorry this happened to you and that Airbnb didn’t have your back. I don’t blame you for wishing to stop hosting. Take a break from hosting and if you decide to host again in the future I would suggest you have a minimum of 5 nights stay and increased your prices. When I started hosting seven years ago, I had a minimum of 2 nights stay and the price was below the rest of the Airbnbs in my area. I priced it as suggested by Airbnb since I was new I didn’t know any better.

After just a few stays, I was ready to close up and run for the hills! I had the worst of the worst. After talking to a few folks, I decided to change the minimum to 5 nights and increase the price. I was fearful that the changes would leave me with no bookings but I was desperate. The change actually turned out to be great. It’s been like night and day. The guests now are of higher quality and it’s been lovely.

I think that shorter stays at lower prices attracts a younger crowd that doesn’t respect hosts, property and personal belongings.

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Thank you, I totally agree, the two night stay was a change we made recently. We have actually been hosting for four years in a high tourist area and are superhosts. Thanks for taking the time to give some help!

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Thank you, my sentiments exactly, you’ve read between the lines to conclude exactly what I did in this scenario. Guests are getting so strategic.

Thanks also fr the suggestion and the feedback on BDC, I actually switched to them last year following the three consecutive guests issue. The only issue we had at the time was that we couldn’t screen guests at all. Everything else was great.

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I know what you mean.

We’re currently still only accepting requests from BDC where the guests are supposed to explain a little bit what the nature of their stay is etc. but of course many don’t read these requests to supply some more info and just write “I want to book”.

In the most cases the reservations are more than one week in advance and with our cancellation policy (or even the 24 hour cancellation window for quick reservations - less than 5 days prior to check-in) we push all of our house rules etc. via automated message to our guests - who then sometimes decide to cancel because it doesn’t suit them well (and probably neither for us).

So far it has worked out.

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I hope it continues to do so

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BDC is good for some properties and not others. I know someone in St Lucia who has a guest house (with about 4 small suites with kitchenettes), and she does well with BDC. Most of the bad stories I hear about are from owners of multi-bedroom, standalone homes. And BDC isn’t really popular in the US from what I can tell.

I’m still trying to wrap my head around under what circumstances BDC is not a good fit for certain hosts as pretty much the same people who use Airbnb can also use BDC and as we have seen here in the forum there seem to be some proficient scammers on Airbnb just aiming for refunds which we luckily didn’t have yet (neither on Airbnb to be fair).

Those platforms all have pros and cons. BDC has multiple amount of traffic compared to Airbnb, so, higher chances to get a booking. BDC allows security deposits - Airbnb doesn’t but I guess this can be set up manually via separate charges if I understood that right.

Otherwise I don’t see much difference in how to prevent bad guests from causing problems since it is also happening on Airbnb.

I can’t explain, except to say I hear a lot of “don’t use BDC” from owners of multi-bedroom properties.

I had a BDC listing for about a year. Only got one inquiry and they wanted dates I didn’t have open. I shut it down because the penalty for a double-booking would be excessive for us and their calendar sync was (is?) slow.

I highly recommend using a channel manager if you use BDC in addition to ABB/Vrbo.
Long story, but I might try BDC again if ABB ever forces everyone to the Simplified Pricing.

And - you can require a security deposit on ABB if you are API-integrated using a channel manager They consider you a “professional host” then even if you only have one listing.

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I’d add to that ‘without a local host or trusted co-host’.

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Country I’m sorry for your experience.I start to think that the good days for Airbnb is a think of the past!
I had also a bad experience with Airbnb support! They didn’t refund me a reservation that the guest canceled 1 day before arrival under strict policy,and they refunded the guest who was saying that a hacker (or a ghost…) canceled not him…
I will post details as soon as I can start a new topic.
I don’t think that we have the motivation to continue cooperating with Airbnb!

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Isn’t BDC only instant book? One way to ward off bad guests is to use Request to book. Also guests don’t get reviewed on BDC, so a guest who had a 2* review average and terrible reviews on Airbnb, or even a guest who had been banned from the platform could just go instant book on BDC.

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