Trust your fellow hosts of their bad reviews for guests!

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Hi muddy, good to hear from you again! I guess I wasn’t clear enough, by “restrictions” I meant the fact that signup bonuses are only for newly created accounts. So once my signup bonus has been used up (they typically only apply for the first one or two orders) I create a new account to bypass the restriction.

Do you understand now?

Oh yeah, before you ask, this has no impact on the earnings of the delivery drivers as it comes off Doordash’s bottom line. I know this because I have a friend who is a delivery driver, and he’s the one that told me about this trick!

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For sure, we ALL understand…

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Hi people,

I sense some negativity about my post? Very sorry if I’ve come across poorly, but please read my reply to muddy that I posted earlier which will hopefully clarify things a little.

In case you’re not aware, Doordash’s revenue in 2021 was $4.8 billion. My little cost minimisation efforts save me at most about $15 per meal, and I probably use Doordash once a month, so I am personally responsible for a humungous 0.00000375% reduction in that figure!

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Scamming does not become less of a scam based on $ amount.

Telling this forum that lying or stealing is ok because the entity you are stealing from has a lot of money? We see guests all the time on other forums justifying how their destruction of towels and refusals to clean up are ok because a host makes s-o-o-o much on cleaning fees, or that the host can find other guests for their expensive home, so the faking of ‘bugs’ or ‘dirt’ to get money from a change in plans leaving a host with a bad review or an empty slot in their schedule is justified…

Yeah, we ALL understand when folks like you happily tell of a way to cheat someone.

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There are people who never develop their moral sensibilities. Lecturing them about it is like teaching a pig to sing.

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I can’t like this enough! You have such a way with words.

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So, saving $15 per meal once a month, is it really worth it?
You’re scamming a system which really doesn’t put you in good light. I’m really surprised that you don’t get it,

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Hi there.

No one is in a position to judge you. We don’t know you.

If you’re in a position in life where you need to do this for $15/month, well, sofar as I know it’s not theft or lying or criminal.

But if this is some smartass ‘hack’ where you extract $15 from DoorDash, not the drivers, it just doesn’t feel honest, doesn’t feel good. I don’t care how big ‘they’ are. On that rationale I could steal from Walgreens. Or just trick them. There IS a difference between tricking/hacking but not a really big one to your brain. Not one to write home about.

I have two concerns here.

One, you brag or at least tell us about this. I guess you tell others too. This makes your behavior very much like a contagion. It infects others. It hurts society, and, point 2, it hurts them and you in my opinion.

Two, What does this behavior and confession tell your brain? Look how smart I am - THIS is how I show/develop my smarts? Look how I’m getting shafted but I AM shafting the big bad corporations – I am in the shafting business? Look how poor I am that I need to do everything I can to just get by? Look how greedy I am because I have so many wants that I can’t control that $15 once a month will help my habit?

So I think this kind of thing hurts you, and is a contagion with all you interact with.

This is our problem in the U.S. And if this is all you do, you’re wonderful. We’re going downhill fast. Every little act of deceit, trickery, hack I think they hurt us and those we deceive, trick and hack. ‘They’ redouble their efforts. They play what they now claim is ‘our game.’ It just all goes to sh*t. I DO think we need to stand up for ourselves, protect ourselves from bad behaviors, but not this way. Maybe that’s the biggest problem, that doing this leaves you feel you’re doing something positive and so you don’t search for other ways to change the system.

Now if you really do NEED this $15 that is different because I don’t think this is lying or anything ‘technically’ wrong. But I don’t think you NEED this. Otherwise you wouldn’t be ordering from DoorDash.

End of rant. Let the criticisms pile on.

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Hi Rolf,

At no point did I say I lying or stealing was involved. All email addresses used are mine, all credit cards used are in my real name, all account names used are my real name, I even use the same delivery address for every account. There is nothing illegal or scammy about it (except in your mind)!

Sit on your moral high horse all you want, I’m the one using the system that they created to get cheaper takeout, you’re the one getting all uptight about someone else successfully getting a cheap feed!

Your reaction says more about you than it does me!!! :slight_smile:

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Correct, you did not. I did.

Justifying a scam based on how big it is? Hmmmmmmm…

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I understood perfectly the first time. There was nothing to clarify.

And I didn’t say I thought the discount came out of the driver’s pay. But it’s a business that depends on gig workers.

You justify it by saying all the credit cards are in your name. But it’s a promotional bonus to attract new customers, and you aren’t a new customer. Just because someone tells me some way to beat a system doesn’t mean I’m going to do it.

And if everyone does it, they will stop giving discounts for first time customers. When people abuse something, it ends up screwing things up for everyone.

But hey, you are obviously going to justify whatever you do that serves you well.

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This is a rationalization.

Agreed. So the argument is DoorDash is a big business it is a good idea to abuse their promos. So you would think maybe these people won’t scam a small business like an Airbnb host. But they scam the small businesses as well. There is always a reason why the abuse is justified e.g. billion dollar corporation, I didn’t stay so why should the host get paid, the listing is illegal so the host doesn’t deserve to be paid, etc.

I have accepted that our brain is wired for self-justification. https://www.amazon.com/Mistakes-Were-Made-But-Not/dp/1491514132

At this point, all I can do is be aware that this mindset exists and not allow such people to take advantage of me.

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Hi jaquo,

I can see you’re a moderator here and that you have used your moderator rights to find a poster’s IP address. You then took that information and used it to snoop his location, after which you posted publicly what you learnt about it.

This is a huge red flag for me, as it should be for every other user here.

Is it standard practice in this forum for moderators to abuse their privileges and invade people’s privacy in this way?

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You are SO right!

A hearty THANK YOU @jaquo for making sure that dishonest members are called out and their deceit made public. We depend on concerned moderators like yourself to keep us protected from trolls and worse. You make this forum a ‘safe space’.

I raise the red flag of thanks, @jaquo!

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I do. I have 39 reviews as a guest, and 162 as a host.

Honest reviews are important to helping hosts evaluate whether or not to accept a guest.

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If you are talking about the poster who is railing against the illegal rental in his neighborhood, it isn’t necessary to find his IP address. He posted the same issue on the Airbnb community forum, where all you have to do is click on a poster’s profile photo to get to their profile page and see their listings and reviews.

If you are talking about this thread, where jacquo said Nige was from the UK, that is public info on his profile here- anyone can see that.

Perhaps you should take some time to learn the features of the forums you post on before making baseless accusations.

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Sorry muddy, it appears you don’t understand my point (which doesn’t surprise me I’m afraid).

The moderator tried to call out Nigel as being located in Australia - this is information only a moderator would have access to. This was a blatant attempt to breach his privacy. Fortunately Nigel seems to understand that privacy on the internet cannot always be guaranteed, as he said he is using a VPN.

I searched the forum for some time to see if IP address information was publicly available before I made my post. If you’re such a proficient forum user perhaps you can tell me where I can find that information publicly, then I will happily stand corrected.

Have a nice evening!

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Hi Rolf,

Sorry, but I think you’re way off the mark here. I don’t think you should be defending this behaviour, nor should you be criticizing someone for wanting to protect their privacy on a public forum.

I note that many people here are not using their real name to post - according to you they are being deceitful and this deceit should be called out and made public.

Now, you may think that this is different to masking your location, but where does it stop? For instance, what’s to stop jaquo looking up a geolocation database using someone’s IP to find out and publish things like their internet provider, their city and suburb, or even their address?

This is the thin end of the wedge, privacy is the right of everyone, and we should be able to trust our moderators to uphold this fundamental right.

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Do you use Facebook….?

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How do you do this? I didn’t think it was possible. I’ve got guests coming on Tuesday that have a slightly concerning review and I’d like to ask that AirBnB host for more details. The review simply said “Left the house a little messy” which raises concerns but really doesn’t tell me much that’s useful.